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Since 10-15 years self driving cars will be mainstream, will luxury cars still be popular?
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agree there will be exceptions, but maybe 1 to 50.
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@islander507 Sensors? How will that work out? No one is talking about self-cleaning cars, are you going to want to have to clean the mess someone else left in your car? If you have a full-time job, would you even have the time? What would be the point of owning your own car if, when you need it, it's sitting in your driveway waiting for someone to clean out the mess some stranger left in it?
@CuriousGeorge That's great ... for the rider, but i was talking about the vehicle owner. Uber vehicles are private owners. You, as a vehicle owner, will have to worry about fuel and maintenance and car washes and paying for garages. People call a taxi when they're too drunk to drive themselves, think about what else people do when they're drunk. Think about some of the stories about what people do in taxis; and they do that with a living, breathing driver. Do you really want to have to clean up your car after that?
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the premise of self driving cars is to have much higher utilization of the fleet instead of just sitting idle in people driveways. So true, if someone is willing to pay 100x for car ownership they can still have a shiny limborgini always sitting in their expensive driveway. They can wash it, maintain it, etc. Or they can use Uber-Self-Drive-Luxury app, where a different luxury car can pick them up every time. The app owner can ensure some level of quality check between rides, by remotely checking video cleaniless and if needing directing to a car wash between rides. This way they can enjoy the luxury, at a reasonable cost, and it's like having use of 100 different luxury cars instead of owning them.
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1) hybrid environment with both self driving and regular cars. Until all cars are self driving limits will be lower.
2) at high limits there maybe safety issues even for self driving
@AlwaysCorrect, sure some people will still want luxury cars, but the luxury option can be available for call-on-demand, so no need to own if you are looking for luxury . Agree though that it is nice to have one available that no one else is using..kind of you don't want to rent out your living room while you are not there
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Accidents happen and even if the computer itself is flawless and reacts instantly, the faster you're going the longer the distance it takes you to come to a dead halt. Going too fast and there might not be enough room to halt completely. It's an issue of the physics of big heavy chunks of metal moving with a lot of momentum behind them, it takes a fair amount of time to stop. Being self-driven doesn't change that part of the equation.
See above, which comes from a UK road safety charity. Although self-driving cars can help with the thinking distance aspect of it, the braking distance will stay the same and is larger at higher speeds.
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I'm not sure I see the connection. You can have a standardised gap between self-driving vehicles and speed-limits in self-driving vehicles. The two aren't mutually exclusive from what I can see and the article doesn't suggest otherwise.
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But you yourself have just quoted form your source and defined the speed at which they would be driving, stating it directly alongside the distance. How is it not therefore a primary concern?
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1) self driving cars will increase car utilization, so less cars will be required overall compared to today
2) a large percentage of total cars will be part of fleets vs individual ownership
3) arguably higher percentage of cars in a fleet will be economy vs luxury
therefore overall demand for luxury cars should drop.
regarding speed limits point by @CYDdharta, i also believe that self driving cars will follow each other and will optimize speed. The issue is getting non- self driving cars on the road together with self driving ones..that still will require speed limits i think.
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So are you talking about just in terms of the paper itself? Yes, because it didn't have to be the specific thing the paper happened to be investigating. That doesn't mean it isn't an actual concern in the scenario we are envisaging.
To give you an example, a paper might investigate the effect of a healthy breakfast on energy levels throughout the day. That doesn't mean a healthy breakfast is the only thing - or even the primary thing - that effects your energy levels throughout the day.
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It would require a speed limit for non-self driving cars, but not for self driving cars. Sensors and transmitters could be retrofitted into non-self driving cars to allow self driving cars to maneuver around them much like turn signals are required on all vehicles today.
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I think this is just piling misunderstanding on top of misunderstanding.
MIT is not "working on designing a fleet of trucks that will draft each other". Rather they have happened to do a research paper into what the benefits of a fleet of trucks drafting would be. They are working with companies in Brazil to implement this, with the idea that they could use self-driving trucks because drafting in close for long-distances strains people too much - they simply can't concentrate that long. The self-driving trucks themselves would not be of MIT design.
The 60 mph figures comes from the article reporting on it and is just to give a reference for what the average human braking time is at that distance. it is not saying the trucks would be going that speed and no mention is made of speed limits beign a factor - it simply isn't what the research is focusing on.
There is nothing in the paper which suggests speed limits would no longer be a concern that I can see, which is the point I was raising with stopping distances.
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Speed wasn't the purpose of the research, so that's not a reasonable conclusion to draw.
If I do a research paper into the effects of caffeine on reaction time, that doesn't mean caffeine is the only thing that effects reaction time or even the main thing - it just happened to be the independent variable focused on in the study. A study into the economic savings of drafting will not speak to the health and safety effects of speed limits in self-driving vehicles because that's not the subject it's looking at so there is no reason it would be.
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I think manufacturers of driverless vehicles will be cautious when programming a maximum speed. There's a lot to work out (I hate to think of what the first few decades of recalls will be like) and manufacturers won't want to expose themselves to any more liability than absolutely necessary.
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No, the chart is about stopping distances. It doesn't make any claims about the minimum safe distance between vehicles and the legal law or rule of thumb in a nation is usually shorter than this distance. The actual distance people drive is even closer still.
Care to quote where it says this? In fact it doesn't, it only references the speed of 60 mph once to give an example of braking distances for human drivers. It makes absolutely no reference to the speed the trucks will be travelling.
Not a concern in a theoretical study involving 0 actual vehicles which isn't trying to look at the myriad factors that effect driving except for efficiency is very obviously not the same as not being a concern in real life.
Yes, it may well be more than a thought exercise. That doesn't mean that speed limits aren't a factor.
Allow me to provide you with a proposition:
Proposition A: Speed limits matter for human drivers
Proposition B: Human drivers very very frequently drive closer to the vehicle in front than the minimum braking distance.
Ergo: Driving closer to the vehicle in front than the minimum braking distance does not de facto mean that speed limits do not matter and your logic does not hold if you agree with the two above propositions. You need to provide something that explains specifically why they no longer matter for self-driving cars.
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I do care about breaking distances as an example of why speed limits matter. I don't particularly care about car distances - which you brought up - and I mentioned in my very first response that I didn't see much connection to what I was talking about.
Neither the legal limit for a gap between cars in any country I am aware of nor the actual gap left by drivers in practice matches the full braking distance of cars. Therefore vehicles leaving a smaller gap than the full breaking distance is not some repudiation of the speed limits, but rather just the norm.
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I've made my points a while back. Now I'm dealing with your responses. I don't have any more to add to the discussion at the moment besides dealing with any issues or questions you raise in regards to it.
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But it's true that most ride share cars will indeed be autonomous, ten to fifteen years from now anyway.
But I don't think that will cause privately owned cars to go away entirely, and even though many privately owned cars will ALSO be autonomous, autonomous luxury cars will be even more sought after.
After all, if you can sit back in your luxury car and not have to drive unless you want to, isn't that a luxury in itself?
So, what happens? As you indicated, a lot of autonomous cars will become almost like "appliances", in that they will pretty much evolve into mundane people movers with little or no human physical interaction required.
I can almost guarantee that the majority of these people mover type appliance cars will be pure battery electric, too.
We're probably going to see electric cars reach parity with gasoline vehicles within ten years, no doubt about it.
But that also creates two other classes of vehicles almost immediately, one being the luxury/sport class, which will offer autonomous driving when you want it, and manual control when you want to have fun, and the luxury factor will probably be incredible.
The other class of cars will be the most beloved cars of the present day and classic cars of yesterday, both of which will no longer be daily drivers. These cars will live under a tarp in the garage, taken out on "date night" and on weekend pleasure cruises.
People who take good care of their current "nice cars" will be the car aficionados of the future, and seeing those old gas guzzlers will evoke fond memories from some and derision from others. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
In twenty years, it's a safe bet that gasoline powered cars will become something of a curiosity.
Some people will grow up never having owned or driven a gasoline car.
---Leon Russell, "Magic Mirror"
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In the days when certain remote states had no speed limit on their open stretches of highway, it was still possible to get a ticket marked "speed unsafe for conditions" because the "speed limit" was established as whatever was "reasonable and prudent" under those conditions.
Therefore if it was reasonable and prudent to drive UP TO 120 mph in certain conditions, then 120 mph was the reasonable and prudent speed limit, subject to the officer's discretion and best judgment.
In an autonomous vehicle, even a time tested and top level model, there will still be conditions which might limit what would be considered reasonable and prudent.
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Thus, a road train of large trucks will be a sort of rolling "neural net" so to speak, all connected and constantly communicating with each other. Same goes for a long string of passenger cars.
Autonomous vehicles will not be operating in a series of individual "vacuums".
---Leon Russell, "Magic Mirror"
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